From: Nov 2003 to Nov 2004
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004
10:28:04 -0500 (EST)
Have you ever even read any books on art or taken a single art class? Your evaluation of art and views on artistic principles reflect a completely uneducated and closed-minded approach to art and design principles. I was truly appalled yet strangely amused by what you call "good" and "bad" art, and would like to know what your art philosophies are based on. Your site is an excellent example of how uneducated art-viewers approach any art medium, and I am sorry you've limited yourself to such a boxed-in perspective, while presenting the material in a manner that would lead any web-surfer to believe that you know what you're talking about. Please attend some lectures at your nearest museum so you at least have a starting point for a valid bias.
I have about three thousand hours art experience mostly in drawing and painting but that was about 25 years ago. Since then I have done about zip. Add to that another thousand hours reading books on the subject and that's how I formed my art opinions ... independently. They are not subject to revision and are fixed in concrete ... and they are eternally valid (objectively speaking). Your views are all subjective and based on your worthless "feelings".
I did attend some lectures on art at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in NYC (that's the one in Central Park ... back in about '80 or '81). I was "on the street" at the time and it was a good place to catch an hour's sleep out of the February cold. The lecture I most remember (before falling asleep) was one given by some stupid broad about some quack artist who "discovered the vertical line". In the modern art wing he had a display that I visited very briefly. There were "precious" little pictures about 8 inches by 12 inches along the wall. In each one there were little vertical lines made with crayons. That's all there was. I was duely impressed.
The Discoverer of the Vertical Line ... wow! ... it was whatshisname ... who will no doubt go down in history ... or maybe ... just down ... the toilet (or, as they say in France ... zee twahlette).]
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004
02:54:51 -0400 (EDT)
Why do you get so much hate mail? I am majoring in Psychology at M.I.T. and everything you say has a sense of truth. I personally like your site. I guess some people just are very retarted.
[Blame it on Gauss. There is a statistical distribution to everything. For every person who genuinely likes my site there is his antipode who equally dislikes it. ]
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004
From: "INTERN1 "
Who exactly do you think you are? I am so utterly overwhelmed by the idiocy that I’ve viewed on this site, that I can’t even fathom where to start laying into you. How do you purport to have the authority to determine “the best art in the world” for everyone who has the misfortune of entering this site? Before you do any more decision making for the rest of the world, you might want to reference a more comprehensive, and informed source than The Art Book.
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004
00:34:01 -0400 (EDT)
You qualify as a very strange human...but as humans go...we are all worthy....in some way, shape or form...hope you find your worth or some one to love you before your time comes.....
[Already have all that. What I need now is MORE HATE. Come on people !!!]
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004
00:26:32 -0400 (EDT)
How can you say with objective authority that certain art is good and other art is bad? Abstract art has many purposes, maybe not to you, but it certainly does to me. I find nothing wrong with classic realistic art, but if that's all that we had museums would be so boring. Why should we mimic reality perfectly (with a few small variations or color, texture, etc.) all of the time, when there are so many other options in this world. Abstract art is on one level purely visual, an orgasm for the eyes. On another level it represents a feeling, existence, an emotion. On another lever (after being explained by the artist) more of the philisophical meaning can come through - ideas and images that couldn't have been created through traditional technique. This isn't hate mail. And I'm sorry if you see art as something so calculated. There really is more to life than that. There are so many experience, feelings, and ways to perceive things. You are obviously very intelligent and an interesting thinker, but some of your ideas so blatantly defy common sense that it's laughable. And another thing. If you personally don't see any value in "The Scream" (although i think there is much) you should at least acknowledge that some people have to capacity to enjoy paintings like this in a unique way. Live a little.
[I agree that abstract art has many purposes. The main one is to screw somebody out of their money ... another is to degrade civilization. "The Scream" is devoid of merit. If you have the capacity to enjoy it ... go ahead. And, if you like, I'll send you a picture of some shit I pooped in the toilet. You can enjoy that too ;o)
PS. Abstract art in the way of colors and shapes is fine with me. Some of it is enjoyable eye-candy. However, it isn't "abstract" since it conveys no philosophical meaning. When you desire to communicate such meaning, real artistic ability is required ... not cartoon crap.]
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004
03:00:15 -0400 (EDT)
Entertaining and stimulating -- a valiant attempt -- ultimately unscaleable however, and too often cusory, unpersuasive, and uselessly arrogant. There's no purpose or value in claiming to be right about everything. Just put solid, well-reasoned arguments forward and grant the reader enough respect to make up their own mind.
[And here I thought all along that that's what I was doing. Well, I sure am glad there are people like you to set me straight ! Note for those who post to "Hate" ... Please, use nasty language wherever possible.]
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004
15:27:07 -0400 (EDT)
What a load of Horse crock - I want to be a looney like you in the next life
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004
20:16:51 -0400 (EDT)
Your Site Sucks!!!! You are so out of touch with reality it's a laughing JOKE!!!
[ Yeah ... I'll bet you're really "in touch" too. If only I were more like you (sigh) ]
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004
15:19:28 -0400 (EDT)
I'm not going to put anymore of your ranting here because you are taking up too much space and using my hatemail for a message board. Use my forum instead (if you are not already doing so). - EBTX
There is no human nature, so our psyche is changed by our times. Your site just makes me sick, you are a washed up old hack, whose ideas are stupid, impractical, and have no real world application. Computer music is not crap by the way, but the next step in removing ourselves from our hearts. People are not trying to put emotion into computers but take it out of humans. As long as we approach the false ideas of heroism, good and justice we are going to get absolutely nowhere. Oh, but wouldn't it be nice to return to the days of wagner, NOT . Music was so stagnant, have you ever heard of a little guy named marcel duchamp? Hmmm? he created works of art that were readymade. Garbage is good. And by the way the first piece was absolute crap, second was ok, but get away from harmony!!, and the last was of course crap!!
First of all, stay away from things you don't understand, secondly, GO OUT AND GET DRUNK!!! With your definition of art, those large paintings intended for churchs are not art. HA! Because they functioned to teach people about Jesus and saints and stuff.
where is my hms pinafore you insensitive bastard!!! This is censorship, the kind that you hate. I was trying to teach you something about modern art, by sending you some dada. You just don't get it, it's a feeling, not a conclusion. If you don't stop censorship of this kind I will be forced to hunt you down and drown you in a river upside down, so that the last thing you see in your life is dogshit, sand, old cigarette buts, and old car parts, the things that are all better than you!!!
[Sorry about your pinafore. I thought you had gone mad. Oh ... wait ... I'm confused ]
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004
13:20:22 -0400 (EDT)
Hey everyone! This guy, I assume it's a man (only a man could have these wacko views) will dissapear completely if we stop writing hate mail or responding period. He exists as our ability to percieve him. STOP!!
[Another happy female ... probably a chubster ... and please DON'T STOP! ... I exist only if you percieve me!]
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004
18:57:36 -0400 (EDT)
[All these came in at about the same time so they may be from the same person. But perhaps the last two are not. Can't say. - EBTX]
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And another ...
Look buddy, you can't fool me. It's obvious that this website is run
by Jerry Fallwell and all his Christian punks. Do you think your ability
to quote scripture makes your point any more valid? You religious nuts
make me sick. Go back to Israel.
And another ...
Aaummmghhh! You shit mother! Bastard fuck death flaming vagina!
Mother-bastard son of a shitter! OOOOooo I'll scoop out your chest cavity
with a spork from KFC (if I can find one, that is). I know where you live.
I'm moving in across the street. Yes, THAT street, hombre. Get rrrready
for the ultimate battle motherfucker. My knife is sharper than forever,
shinier than tomorrow. I'll take you to a secluded mountaintop where no
one can hear you scream. DEATH! DEATH! DEATH? DEATH!!! good gravy....
And once I have killed you, I will inherit this web site, and re-name it
"grovercleveland.com". Ebtx? Not anymore, asshole!
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004
18:03:36 -0400 (EDT)
This is not REAL hate mail, but what is this? some sort of cult? I mean simplifying life into fibonacci is one thing, but when you touch Rothko, OH!!! You are the type of people who need to be in exile in some obscure south-east asian country. You may bring enlightenment to some, but most of us just want to be ignorant because this is my life, and I think it's the only one I will get. Art is not for the masses, nor will ever be. You know what you call an artist under 40 who appeals to everyone? A BAD ARTIST. Art has no purpose, function, or structure. You just took all the fun out of rubens (like there was any to begin with). But I could see it as an artifact, a product of it's time, schooled. I have never seen one as a wow! Come on! Don't criticize that which you don't understand! Because if you did, you would embrace them. Maybe they don't follow the "proper composition" or "structure" but they produce something which an illusionary dipection of some god-forsaken saint can't. Leave art to the mystics and go back to your petty logic, bookworm!!!!
The purpose of art is not to depict the world we live in, nor to
structure things. Modern artists have succesfully taken away any obligation
to the viewer whatsoever, fantanstatic. Of what use is "great" art?
None at all. Art has no responsibilty to "say" anything, eye candy is a
correct assesment of modern abstract painting, say nothing except to
show the viewer they are looking at paint. I must stress again the
importance of not saying anything. John cage said once "Modern music isn't
useful, it really isn't, unless it develops our powers of perception"
I think the same goes for art. Art should not be understood by the
masses, because how else will we learn?
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004
11:04:39 -0500 (EST)
Sorry to disappoint you but this won't be a proper hate mail. Your ideas are just too simplistic, and sometimes downright ignorant. Especially the part about the Israeli Palestinian conflict. You even managed to get the maps wrong (forgot the Golan Hights hey?). So basically your ideas are full of ignorance. And ignorance breeds evil. The world would be a better place if you just shut up about things you know too little about.
["...and ignorance breeds evil" Yup, I certainly agree with that ;o) Must be Jewish. The only people I get more hatemail from is ... Christians!]
Thu, 26 Feb 2004
07:43:30 -0500 (EST)
Hey who the fuck are you?? And what are you on about? You are probably the least funny person on the planet - that's quite impressive if you think about it.....
[Thanks for the compliment. But considering the source, it's really not too impressive.]
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003
16:58:55 -0500 (EST)
Old Skankie Douche, Hey there. I know last night I said that I would stick to your physics pages, but I just got a little curious as to how quickly and efficiently you are able to respond to you hate mail. Wow. Well, I’ll have to give you an A on the quickness. Your Wrinkledness must live by the computer. But as far as the actual comebacks… come on! Apparently you are only capable of picking on those who are less intelligent than you. Sort of the geeky equivalent of a schoolyard bully. At any rate, not only were your comebacks few, but their degree of accurateness seems to reflect the rate at which your tired old brain functions. Come on old man, your grandkids could have responded better than that! No ideas of my own? Oh my god. The reason I was getting bored typing before is because I realized the extent to which my ideas are superior (and vastly more pragmatic) to yours, and the sheer amount of time and energy it would take to impart them to some old fogey I don’t even know or care about. Oh yeah, I especially liked the way you placed an exclamation mark between the words ‘on’ and ‘such’ in section ‘B’. And a few words down, how you separated the c on ‘campaign’ from the rest of the word. I know that those mistakes were not present when I sent you the ‘hate,’ because I emailed myself a copy of what I sent you, just in case it would come in handy for something. (I cut and pasted your letter. Nothing more. Perhaps Yahoo doesn't transcribe accurately. It's pretty cheap, you know.) Perhaps subconsciously, I realized the lack of integrity and maturity that someone with your general attitude towards others must have. At any rate, why did you not do more to butcher my comments? I mean, you could have done all sorts of inventive things! Like include bad spelling, punctuation mistakes, misspelled cusswords, crude references to your mother, ect. Was your hesitation to do more out of some small remaining degree of respect for yourself? Or, was it more out of a general lack of commitment? Not that it matters. But one thing, it makes me wonder how much you doctor other people’s comments. (I don't doctor anything ... not even poor spelling) Or how much ‘hate’ you send to yourself, fo! (Note exclamation point which you probably didn't put in since it's too far away from the "r" ... but Yahoo mail put it in ... and the extra spaces. I didn't.) r that m atter. Is your retirement so full of empty time? (What retirement?) At any rate, others reading this take note: the person who runs this site is not worthy of your hate. Don’t let that stop you from browsing his pages however. Some of them are amusing and interesting. One more thing, regarding your first comment about a person’s memories and personality being one and the same as their consciousness: this idiotic idea on your part is worthy of the most dogged of dogmatic imbeciles. Let’s say that you do transfer ‘all of your memories and personality’ into the clone. From this point forward, do you and the clone share the same awareness? (At the start, yes. After a few seconds of assimilating new information, no.) The same ideas and experiences for the rest of your lives? NO?! Why… that’s just crazy! You would be far better off growing the clone to sufficient age as to perform the ‘neural replacement’ surgery, and you know it. Your most accurate response was that in reference to me being a kid. Dead on! I bet you wish you were as young and attractive as me. (Young, yes. As attractive as you ... hah! I'll bet my left nut that you don't even have a girl friend, else why are you here ;o)
[PS. I won't post anymore of your comments because they are too long. Why not post on my Forum till you get your fill?]
Sat, 13 Dec 2003
00:32:09 -0500 (EST)
This isn't quite the hate that you seem to lust for... I've just been browsing your site a bit for the first time and feel a bit too lazy at the moment to send you a proper email. I don't believe that there is any reason to hate you; you seem to be nothing more than a slowly withering old crackpot with way too much time on his wrinkled, liver-spotted, retired old hands. Other than that, there is nothing really negative I can say to you, other than some of your ideas are flawed. For example: your 'cloning' theory for interminable self-propagation: rather than transferring your memories and personality to a clone (who afterwards is still only a clone with your memories and personality… A ... you are not preserving your consciousness through such a process, you crazy old fart), why not perfect a means by which to transfer your brain and spinal-column to the body of the clone? Unless you are dying of some type of neural disorder, this should greatly increase your life span, and replace your dilapidated, cancer-ridden old body with a young healthy you! Consider it the ultimate make-over. Mrs. Bag of Bones would love it. Just a thought. Also, what’s with this ‘new language thing?’ God, how much time DO you have on your hands? Another thing which was painfully absurd was your idea about nuking the heart of Islam. B ... Wow. I just hope you were joking. Not that I’m Islamic or anything. Instead of attempting to forcibly replace their entire religion, which is rooted in thousands of years of tradition and set rigidly into their culture (such a thing is ludicrous and would never work. Just look at how little rational, scientific minds have succeeded in affecting Christianity?) all you need to do is to alter the mindset of their more fundamentalist believers, and turn potential fundamentalists away. Such a thing could be accomplished with a shrewdly administrated psychological campaign to smear the face of Islamic fundamentalism, as well as making Western culture seem more just and merciful. I would impart to you my ideas on ! such a c ampaign, and many other things… if the interest to keep typing held… but it isn’t. At any rate, I will return to your page to review your ideas on physics under the ‘Existance’ section, the reason I ran across your self-loving little page in the first place. But I doubt that I’ll delve into much else. That’s about it. Oh. The quotes are pretty narcissistic and totally lame.
[(A) Your memories and personality ARE your consciousness ... (B) I wasn't joking
This is another kid with no ideas of his own. ]
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003
22:24:31 -0500 (EST)
Here's three separate "issues" from the same guy that sent his objections about my Emin language (see below). I know it's the same person because he sent a copy of one of his long rants in a 4th message at the same time ... or maybe that's a coincidence?] Sorry but the message from the other day was not from the guy who sent a rant about your Emin language. I sent it. I did what you do.....I copied and pasted text, ya know just like you do with all of this supposedly vast knowledge you apparently want people to think you have. Any computer nerd (like you) who knows how to surf the web and copy and paste other people's words can do it. Pla-gia-rism. . stealing somebody’s work or idea: copying what somebody else has written or taking somebody’s else’s idea and trying to pass it off as original.
[Gee, thanks. That's quite a compliment. You think that I steal other people's stuff. Er, uh, duh ... I been found out, everything on my site was stolen, not a single idea was mine. I bow to your superior intellect, Sherlock. ]
Date: Mon, 24 Nov
2003 09:49:14 -0500 (EST)
uh....I talked to Stephen Hawking. He said you're a dick.
you should change your web address to something more to reflect your character. such as www.yourAfuckinNerd.com
let me guess......you're a virgin
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003
16:45:18 -0500 (EST)
Well well, so my rant got noticed,[A] and you managed to stick a few lovely pompous remarks to boot. Well bucke your seat belt, you son of a bitch, cause there's a lot more where that came from. I suppose it isn't enough to notice the obvious deficiencies in E-Minimal. In order to have a LOGICAL argument I have to go off and create one of my own.[B] I have (as you may have noticed) already endorsed two conlangs that I find to far exceed yours in quality and potential. There they are... so what that I didn't create them? Have I not "proved myself" to you?[C] Secondly, I don't know why you think I hate your site. I do not. I certainly hate some aspects of your personality, but one would have to be a masochist to find you "welcoming." It seems to me that you have a great deal of pride (SOME of which is justified), and it unfortunately keeps you from producing really outstanding work.[D] I'm sure that you could create an excellent artificial language if you set your mind on it, but you haven't used your mind at all. [E]You've become lost in "pride and prejudice." You ARE the wellspring. Whatever YOU do is perfect...a priori. It's irritating for those of us who have to sort out actual substance from hot air. We aren't all so trusting as to eat up your ideas indiscriminately. I would estimate that about 25% of this website's content is garbage,[F] not worth your time or mine. At LEAST that much. If I were in your position, the prospect would be unappealing, but you seem to enjoy hearing people spout off about your flaws (because you find it all so amusingly "wrong"). I hope you manage to free yourself from your ego. For one thing, it scares visitors away (not that YOU need the unwashed masses), and for another, it's self-delusional and brings about more rubbish-work. P.S. You seem to know a hell of a lot about me, considering that I'm an anonymous poster.[G] For all you know, I HAVE created a language, and believe it or not, the rules of the universe do not make yours the best, automatically. I don't know where you got the idea t! hat some one isn't worthy of criticizing you if they haven't "struggled themselves." Perhaps you've just made a stupid mistake. Imagine that! And as to your spending a whole year (boo hoo) working on E-Minimal, I think you know yourself that it doesn't matter how much you struggle. What matters is the end result. Christians have suffered for nearly two millennia and their religion is still a piece of shit. As you said in the past so eloquently, and I quote, it's "like someone being paid to hold up a telephone pole which would stand by itself anyway. He gets real tired and goes home at the end of the day to tell his wife about the hard work he has done. Sure it's hard pushing on that stationary pole ... but ... completely unnecessary." In the very same way, your work has been unproductive and unnecessary. It doesn't matter if it took you a year. It doesn't matter if it took you ten years!
[ A Indeed, B Yes, C No, D I believe that it facilitates
E I probably don't have a mind at all if I spent a year to accomplish nothing
F Gee thanks, I thought it was more like 90%
G I know that you have done nothing on your own in life ... from your writing and by my experience ... you are an American, caucasian male under 21 years of age ... who's father has abandoned him is some fashion.
A question: Why do you care about a silly language anyway? If it's no good what of it? Why make a big deal?
(At least he's not a Christian) ]
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003
23:37:34 -0500 (EST) and again at
23:37:35 -0500 (EST)
[Ah! Yesssss indeed. Quite an inspired attack.]